
The Offerer
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.15 11:11:00 -
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Edited by: The Offerer on 15/07/2011 11:14:10 Ok, I'll bite.
Quote: I'm willing at this point to concede that there is a slight difference between PLEX and Aurum. But I have not changed my mind about PLEX being pay-to-win. It is most certainly play-to-win.
Yes it is pay to win, but it's also creating gameplay content.
Quote: Aurum changes the game in only one dimension: who gets paid.
Yes, it could be one dimension, but you are wrong on that one. The dimension is: where the gameplay content is produced. CCPalready gets paid from PLEX sales, so your point is invalid.
Quote: PLEX pays other people in game for their effort to do whatever it takes to get the ISK they use to buy PLEX.
PLEX creates the need for other players to make gameplay content. Without player's needs, there's no content. Without content, There's no game.
Quote: PLEX to ISK is paying the EVE players to win.
PLEX for ISK: - seller gets ISK (winning) - CCP gets the money (winning) - buyer gets game time (winning) - buyer is encouraged to create gameplay content (winning) - in-game industry is boosted by increased sales (winning)
Quote: If CCP introduces a game advantage, PLEX to AUR is paying CCP to win.
PLEX for AUR: - seller get the goods (winning) - CCP gets the money (winning) - everyone else looses because there's no need to produce stuff or create gameplay content. - it's not only about the market, industry and general carebear stuff. All game professions are connected: http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/1106/MTGraph01.jpg
Quote: That's the only real difference.
No it wasn't, as shown above.
Quote: The people up in arms about this non-existent stuff are simply greedy. And somehow, they are angry because CCP appears to be greedy. This makes no sense to me.
Not greedy, but care for the health of this game.
Quote: I buy legitimate GTC, convert them to PLEX, and sell them on the market because I don't have enough real life spare time to grind for really nice ships. But I want to be able to fly them and use them to kill people. That's paying to win. Yes. I do it.
Are you winning because you've bought the ISK with PLEX, or is the guy who pays sub with ISK wining, or is the guy who sold you the ships and have your ISK winning?
Quote: And everyone seems to be okay with that.
Yep, because everyone is winning.
Quote: What if I skip that and just essentially pay CCP for some nice stuff to kill you with? Nothing has changed in principle. The only thing that has changed is who is getting paid ...
Read above.
Quote: So who is greedy here? Is it CCP? Or is it you? The bottom line is that without non-vanity items, you make more money in-game. With those items, CCP makes more money in real life. Hmm. Let me guess what anyone with half an ounce of business sense would do . . . .
Read above and make conclusions.
Quote: ... I propose this alternative, "Industrial toons hate EVE and want to rob CCP from vital revenue streams to further their own monopoly on production interests, even if it kills the game for everyone else!!!"
Don't forget that it's all connected, as shown on graph.
Quote: So basically, screw all you people spouting player economy. You're disingenuous, and you're just sitting around spamming forums and disrupting everyone else's play when you feel like it because you are afraid CCP is going to take a small cut of your industrial pie.
I would say something about uneducated trolls that can't see beyond their noses, but meh...
Quote: If, and it's still a big "if," CCP introduced non-vanity, it wouldn't be the first time a big money-making machine was nerfed in this game. Nerfs happen. Maybe it's time for an indy nerf.
It would be a nerf of the whole game and player base (in terms of active subscriptions), not industry one.
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